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This is why I love this guy and this is why he is one of the best media people on TV. He says what I think so perfectly and as far as hannity‘s dumb ass simple minded standards to be able to kill anyone (thc in system), I dont even think Trayvon ever admitted to or did any blow…Why did he lump blow into pot with regard to relating Trayvon and Obama…and I am almost positive that Obama never admitted to or said he did cocaine and ironically speaking…Bush Jr. had admitted to doing blow in his life….he said he had done cocaine…maybe hannity is transposing presidents to benefit whatever the fuck his point he is trying to make on his show:
>>> president obama spoke ab the george zimmerman trial. he reflected on the case in deeply personal terms. take a look.
>> when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. and when you think about why in the african-american community at least there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, i think it’s important to recognize that the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that dun go away. i don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. doesn’t mean we’re in a post racial society. doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated. but you know when i talk to malia and sasha, and i listen to their friends and see them interact, they are better than we are. they are better than we were on these issues. and that’s true in every community that i have visited all across the country.
>> there was a lot of reaction, j joe, to this moment on friday including an incredible debate on “meet the press” saying the president was pushed to the podium and he was late. a piece saying he’s the wrong person to lead the discussion on race. but first, i don’t know what to make of this. sean hannity lashed out for comparing himself to trayvon martin.
>> the politician who is quick to stick his nose in all of this first, the police acted stupidly. if i had a son, he would look like trayvon martin. trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. this is a particularly helpful comment. is that the president admitting that because he was part of the gang and spoked pot and did a little blow, i’m not sure how to interpret that because we know trayvon martin was smoking pot that night.
>> so eugene, there are things to say after what the president said on friday in debate and they are fascinating discussions. i don’t even know where to put that. that’s extreme and wrong, i think.
>> i think that’s extremely wrong too. i wrote a column saying the president was basically wasting his breath when he tried to speak about race because the comments didn’t penetrate. they didn’t communicate what he was try iing to communicate. i said he’s the wrong person to do this. so of course, he comes out a few hours later and proves me completely wrong. i thought it was an exceptional speech that he gave off the cuff. obviously, something he had been thinking about doing. i thought he did really effectively on friday. and notwithstanding the reaction of sean hannity and others of his ilk, i think it’s had an extraordinary impact and got people talking about racial issues in a constructive way. so i join the long list of people who have said or written that barack obama can’t do something and sat and watched him do it it.
>> i think what you touched upon with your column is he might be in a difficult position for a number of reasons. having said that, the other reaction that e we showed shows that we still have a long way to go. maybe we need to be having this discussion on an ongoing basis if we’re going to have extreme reactions like the one we just saw.
>> sean hanna itty has been a critic of the president so it’s hard to take his criticism in the most serious of ways. you have to minus out some of those. overall, i thought the remarks were ones that i could relate to. you talk about race and where we go, it’s unclear where we go from here after his remarks. there’s no doubt there’s a set of experiences that are shaping the way a lot of americans feel about this, about the trayvon martin decision. morally unacceptable for many people. but there are a number of other issues that you have a black on black crime issue that we have to confront in a different way. this is a serious issue. you have black unemployment rates at amongst its highest levels. you have black home oownership levels at its lowest rates. you have a number of barometers that have to be a concern. when you find communities that are working where households are intact, where parents are installing in kids that education is critical. you have a different set of outcomes. the president’s remarks was the most important component. we need to have a conversation about opportunities provided to young black men. they were focusing on black men and opportunities. i’m hopeful that’s what comes out of this conversation. perhaps a greater focus and a greater focus on results for how we address these challenges facing black men across the country.
>> so many different issues came out of this. the issue of profiling, the stop and frisk program that’s controversial here in new york. but also just the support for the family given the fact that this young man who has been lost has now got his place in history as we develop as a country pertaining to race.
>> support for the family has been inspiring. it certainly happened this past weekend too. it’s important to remember that’s occurring amidst racially intolerant comments across the political spectrum. we commented on “the washington post” describing how a black man wearing a hoodie is a uniform of crime. i still am flum muxed by that. and then quote, to get over it. i don’t know how many e read it it. they quoted martin lieutenauther king suggesting black people are morally inferior. you talk about taking reads and taking them out of context and using martin luther king’s words 50 years later to justify the killing of a young black man walking unarmed through a suburban neighborhood, it’s proverse. and elsewhere for a variety of reasons that trayvon had it coming. it seems we keep hearing that trayvon had it coming because he had pot in his system. i keep hearing this from people like sean hannity and others on the right. really? is that the new standard? would we like to go across college campuses in america and tell all white boys that if they have marijuana in their system then they are fair game? or that if they are walking through the neighborhood and they act in an untoward way towards somebody chasing them through a neighborhood? this is whatnot only the right, but some in the middle are suggesting is the defense. it’s society’s fault. we’re turning that around. i know gene. and others will remember middle class whites were angry when liberal politicians would say it’s society’s fault. well, that’s what’s happening now in reverse. they are bigger societal issues. you know black men wearing hoodies, they all commit crimes. that’s richard cohen’s argument. so he had it coming to him. it’s straight out of madness. i hear he had marijuana in his system. you have seen reefer madness. really? really? in 2013, sean, come on. whatever excuse there is to say this young black man had it coming to him, that is the defense because there is no defense for shooting down a young black man in a middle class neighborhood with skit ls. this entire spectacle is depressing and it’s giving the parents and loved ones of african-american children even more of a reason to be concerned and go out on weekends and peacefully march. and the the vultures are going to continue to circulate around this body. and make no mistake, they are and continue to try to destroy his reputation for doing nothing more than walking through a neighborhood. it’s making all of this — it’s making it it all too evident that too many people in the media and politicians are calculating and callous in their commentary. andrea mitchell, it’s nothing short of depressing.
>> when we think about this, we now have a new standard. when the president came out, he had clearly thought this through. it had been something he discussed with his wife, with his children. it’s something he’s lived his whole life. he did two things. he taught white people in america, those who were unaware, what it’s like to be a black male. so the teaching moment was also to hold up a mirror, to say to african- americans, i hear you, i understand, i am the moral leader of this country and let’s talk about race and let’s talk about these laws. he was very careful not to cross the line where anyone could have said he was trying to influence the decisions on the trayvon martin case and george zimmerman’s verdict. but what he did say very importantly was that i understand this. when he said that trayvon martin was me 35 years ago, he was relating and personalizing the vi victim and making trayvon martin, again, a person because as we knew from one juror and that reflecked the mood in the jury room, those six white women did not understand, did not empathize with him as a person. she talked about george and what a nice person he was. but trayvon martin didn’t have flesh and blood. that’s what the president did and he also told white people what it’s like to walk into that department store and walk down the street and hear the cars being locked. that was a very important lesson. that will never go away.
>> gene robinson, one of the things that happens after tragedy like this, we say in the country we want to have a “controversy” about x. now it’s a conversation about race. i’m not sure we actually ever have a constructive national conversation because both sides run to their battle stations and it becomes a battle rather than a conversation. in an ideal world, what would you like to hear that conversation sound like today?
>> well, ideally it would sound like the president’s remarks. it would not sound like sean hannity’s marks. we would take off from where president obama took us on friday and go into depth. but willie, in the real world, this is the conversation. this is the national conversation about race. this is why we have it. we don’t all kind of gather at public libraries on a given day and work through an agenda. something happens and we react to it and people overreact and react too strongly and e we fight about it for awhile and we argue and it seems like we’re not getting anywhere. sometimes we actually are. sometimes we make progress. and if you look back at our history as president obama reminded us, look at how far we have come. it hasn’t been easy. it won’t be easy getting the rest of the way because we certainly have a ways to go. one of the things we need to work on is not just a e question of how black men are seen in society but how black men are doing in the society. and it’s an issue mayor bloomberg has worked on. the ” washington post” did a project about black men. we can talk about that, but we tend to do it in a crisis mode and that’s just who we are.
>> we’re talking about how black men are doing in society this past week. it seems to me that the op-eds that you read over and over again, whether it’s in your paper or the ” wall street journal” or other papers say black men aren’t doing well. crime levels are high. then there’s this unexplained leap to justify george zimmerman’s actions of walking through a suburban neighborhood armed chasing down a young black man, being told by a dispatcher to get away, and him continuing to chase down a young black men. i piend it so ironic that we were enraged in the ’60s and ’70s when politicians would try to generalize. it’s society’s fault so society needs to give african- americans who are committing crimes a free pass. now it’s the opposite. it seems, and what’s depressing is, this isn’t confined to the far right talk show radio hosts. sean hannity has been ginning this up so badly that michael savage, michael savage has been saying that he’s been irresponsible and that he’s using race to gin up his ratings in a way that’s bad for america. that’s how extreme sean hannity’s position has been. that’s where we find ourselves today in 2013 that now young african- american males are presumed guilty because of larger societal trends. we have turned this on its ear. now we’re being told, we’re reading in “the washington post” and ” wall street journal” that black men are presumed guilty if they are wearing the wrong things.
>> that’s not acceptable. that’s outrageous really. trayvon martin could have been either of my sons walking wearing a hoodie, walking with skittles in a middle class neighborhood. and that’s the way a lot of us african- americans have reacted. it could have been my sons, it could have been me. the sean hannitys of the world, it’s a crazy view. if you’re going to say black men are fair game, actually there’s a black man who is president of the united states. there are black men who are doing extraordinarily well in this society who have taken huge leadership roles in this society including the attorney general who is going to ultimately decide whether or not federal charges are filed against george zimmerman. what this whole discussion hasn’t taken into account is what’s happened within the african-american community, the extraordinary economic and social progress that many people have made into the middle class and beyond. and the group that’s been left behind that we all need to focus some attention and efforts on.
>> interesting. think about it, harold.
>> one of the things i’ve heard said. as a young black male, when a cop stops you to be responsive, to look them in the eye and answer crisply. one of the most fascinating things, joe just touched on it it. george zimmerman was told by the police to stop. we are now rewarding people, it seems in the eyes of a lot of black americans, for this guy not stopping. when you’re a young black male saying stop, you generally stop. here you have a fellow, and everyone has a story like this. it’s just — so many saspects of the case.
>> the nra suggests all it takes to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun. if trayvon martin had a gun and zimmerman was chasing him through the neighborhood, the nra’s position would be trayvon could have shot zimmerman dead and he could have walked free. we know it wouldn’t have happened that way, but using their logic, that could have happened. but mika, we have to go to break. one of the most troubling things for me, all the african-american parents who all said what gene said. i always have the talk with with my son. the police comes up from behind at night, you turn on lights and keep your hands on the dash board and you don’t make any sudden moves. i think as gene said, son, it’s a matter of life and death. that’s the talk.
>> we have to look at economic opportunity and our policing out of all of this as well.
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